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Meeting Proceedings for December 10, 1998 (File size=123K


          1                        STATE OF FLORIDA



                                  COMMISSION MEETING



              DATE:                   December 10, 1998
              TIME:                   Commenced at  9:00 a.m.
         11                           Concluded at 11:00 a.m.

         12   PLACE:                  The Senate Chamber
                                      The Capitol
         13                           Tallahassee, Florida

         14   REPORTED BY:            MONA L. WHIDDON
                                      Court Reporter
         15                           Division of Administrative Hearings
                                      The DeSoto Building
         16                           1230 Apalachee Parkway
                                      Tallahassee, Florida










          1                           APPEARANCES


          3   CARLOS ALFONSO
          4   ANTONIO L. ARGIZ (ABSENT)
              PAT BARTON (ABSENT)
          6   ROBERT M. BROCHIN (ABSENT)
          7   KEN CONNOR
              CHRIS CORR
              VALERIE EVANS (ABSENT)
              PAUL HAWKES (ABSENT)
              DICK LANGLEY (ABSENT)
         13   JOHN F. LOWNDES
              STANLEY MARSHALL
         14   JACINTA MATHIS
              JON LESTER MILLS
         15   FRANK MORSANI (ABSENT)
         16   CARLOS PLANAS (ABSENT)
              JUDITH BYRNE RILEY
         18   H.T. SMITH
              ALAN C. SUNDBERG
              PAUL WEST (ABSENT)
              STEPHEN NEAL ZACK
              IRA H. LEESFIELD





          1                           PROCEEDINGS

          2             (Roll taken and recorded electronically.)

          3             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  I think the Governor and some

          4        Cabinet people, other than our own Commissioner

          5        Butterworth that is with us this morning, will be here

          6        later.  And that is true, Commissioner Butterworth was

          7        settling the tobacco matter and he was still able to

          8        attend all of the meetings and do all of his duties as

          9        Attorney General.  He was certainly present for all of

         10        the important votes.

         11             If the members and guests would please rise, we

         12        will have the opening prayer given this morning by

         13        Reverend Brant Copeland of the First Presbyterian

         14        Church in Tallahassee.  Reverend Copeland.

         15             REVEREND COPELAND:  Oh mighty God, you have

         16        blessed this state with the gifts of your creation and

         17        with people willing to serve the common good.  We

         18        thank you of the work of this Constitution Revision

         19        Commission, for its members and for its staff.  As

         20        these your servants complete their assigned tasks, we

         21        know they have resolved to serve you through their

         22        neighbors, seeking to do what is fair and just in your

         23        eyes and working for the good of all, we ask this for

         24        the sake of your justice and your love.  Amen.

         25             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Please remain standing for


          1        the pledge of allegiance led this morning by pages of

          2        the Seaside Neighborhood School, they are Cyrus Brough

          3        and Mack McCarthy (phonetic), if you gentlemen would

          4        come forward.  Incidentally, Seaside is one of

          5        Florida's first charter schools and it's located in

          6        Walton County and it is the product of our executive

          7        director's ingenuity and hard work.

          8             (Pledge of allegiance said.)

          9             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Commissioners, I'm pleased,

         10        as I'm sure all of you are, that we have this last

         11        opportunity to meet.

         12             And I would like to thank Commissioners Zack,

         13        Thompson, Lowndes and Connor and Nabors for cohosting

         14        the reception that we had last evening in the

         15        Governor's mansion.  It was certainly decorated

         16        beautifully, and it seemed fitting that we concluded

         17        the Commission with a reception at the same place that

         18        we started it 18 months ago.

         19             It doesn't seem that quite long ago, but that's

         20        how long it's been.  It was quite a lot of fun to get

         21        together and certainly we appreciate the Governor and

         22        Mrs. Chiles for having us there, and Jerome did a

         23        great job with the particulars of the party.

         24             With regard to the revisions, I am sure, also

         25        like me, most of you were pleasantly surprised by the


          1        election results last month.  I'm not sure that any

          2        one of us can point to the one event or one action by

          3        the Commission that resulted in our overwhelming

          4        success.  Nonetheless, it seemed important for me and

          5        others that the Commission meet for one last time to

          6        examine its work and offer the next Commission 20

          7        years from now any recommendations regarding our

          8        process of revision.

          9             And, yes, for those of you who are wondering,

         10        Commissioner Barkdull is staking out his seat in the

         11        chamber for the next Commission, who will only be 93,

         12        and he's set to lead the rules committee again, and

         13        he's going to wear his collar, you know, his spiked

         14        collar then to keep himself safe.

         15             And I want to recognize Commissioner Barkdull,

         16        chairman of rules to start it off, like we always did,

         17        with Commissioner Barkdull.  Commissioner Barkdull.

         18             COMMISSIONER BARKDULL:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman

         19        and members, on your desk you have got a proposed

         20        agenda that was mailed to you.  It'll be the same one

         21        that we will use this morning.  Primarily we wanted to

         22        give each Commissioner an opportunity to express their

         23        views about what ought to be considered as proposed

         24        recommendations to leave for prosperity in the next

         25        Commission.


          1             I would like to lead it off a little bit with

          2        some reflections.  Both the '68 Constitution Revision

          3        Commission and the '78 started out --

          4             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Commissioner Barkdull, would

          5        you use your microphone please?

          6             COMMISSIONER BARKDULL:  Yes, sir.  Normally I

          7        don't need one.

          8             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Well, some of us are hard of

          9        hearing.

         10             COMMISSIONER BARKDULL:  Give me your right ear.

         11             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Got it.

         12             (Laughter.)

         13             COMMISSIONER BARKDULL:  Yes, sir.  As I was

         14        saying, we hope to digest the comments made by the

         15        Commissioners here today and some recommendations left

         16        for the consideration of the appointing authorities

         17        and those that may be appointed to the Commission 20

         18        years from now.  And we are going to give every member

         19        of the Commission an opportunity to express their

         20        thoughts and give you some time to think about what

         21        you would want to say.  I'll go ahead and express some

         22        of mine and maybe that will give you some ideas of

         23        where to go or what not to do.

         24             But I want to point out that one of the

         25        substantial differences in the beginnings of this


          1        Commission, as contrasted to the '68 or '78, at

          2        neither of those Commissions was there any planning

          3        done in advance.  The people were appointed and then

          4        they organized and began their work, and we were more

          5        fortunate in this Commission.

          6             Governor Chiles, by executive order, created a

          7        Steering Committee for the consideration of how a

          8        Commission would be proposed and spent approximately a

          9        year in advance of when appointments were made to this

         10        Commission and delivered to us a package which had

         11        recommendations as to the public hearings, had

         12        recommendations for the rules, and gave a -- and also,

         13        most importantly, proposed several statutes that were

         14        passed by the '97 Legislature that related to the

         15        Commission, the most important of which was money.

         16             And I would certainly hope that some of our

         17        recommendations would be that such a Steering

         18        Committee be established in advance of the Commission

         19        20 years from now, either by statute or by executive

         20        order by the Governor, so that that Commission will

         21        have the benefit of somebody having had an opportunity

         22        to study the situation in advance.  I realize that

         23        because of one of the proposals that we put on the

         24        ballot, that membership in the Commission will be

         25        appointed at a lot earlier date than we were.


          1             But I still think that it would benefit the

          2        Commission at that time if they have the work of a

          3        Steering Committee or a product of a Steering

          4        Committee and its recommendations because it gives

          5        them an opportunity to have a structure that is

          6        proposed to them.  If they do not like it, they can

          7        obviously alter it as we altered in here some of the

          8        rules that were proposed by the Steering Committee.

          9        But at least we had a place to start.

         10             And I think that it did help us somewhat hit the

         11        ground running with our public hearings as early as we

         12        did, considering our appointments were not concluded

         13        until about the 10th of June.

         14             So, I would like to start off with the thought

         15        that one of our recommendations would be that there

         16        will be a Steering Committee to give some thought to

         17        the processes and the procedures to be used by the

         18        Commission that will be -- come into being assuming

         19        that some of the efforts that I've heard are not

         20        successful in abolishing the right to have a

         21        Commission.  And I would welcome other comments in

         22        this regard.

         23             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  All right.  I think before --

         24        I think I've already said that the Governor, and

         25        Comptroller Milligan and Treasurer Nelson will be


          1        joining us later to speak, so I need you to be aware

          2        of that.  I would like to ask Commissioner Mills at

          3        this point to introduce Ron Sacks who is here in

          4        the -- up there -- way up there, and tell you what a

          5        great function he played in our ability to get our

          6        message out as to what our revisions were.

          7        Commissioner Mills who was chairman of the Information

          8        Committee.

          9             COMMISSIONER MILLS:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

         10        Ron Sacks was charged, along with our other Ron, of

         11        explaining those things that we did.  And I guess, I

         12        first want to note, Commissioner Barkdull's public

         13        comments have been very enlightening.  His private

         14        comment was even better, which was, those of you that

         15        heard it, You know, if I had known all of those things

         16        were going to pass, I would have paid more attention.

         17             (Laughter.)

         18             COMMISSIONER MILLS:  But based on having to pass

         19        all of those things, the Public Education Committee,

         20        which as you were charged, Mr. Chairman, tried to

         21        explain this to the public through Ron's efforts and

         22        others, we had a number of public service spots which

         23        were created, which I think many of you may have seen.

         24        We organized efforts to go to every editorial board,

         25        which I think added up to over 20 when we finally


          1        examined how many papers there were in this state.

          2        And to the extent that the people paid attention to

          3        the editorial awards, we had enormous endorsement.  I

          4        think over 70 percent with the proposals and

          5        opportunities to endorse by our papers ended up with

          6        endorsements.

          7             The other commitment was to go out and to speak

          8        to groups.  I think Commissioner Ford-Coates has the

          9        world record for the number of Kiwanis, Rotary, et

         10        cetera, groups.  I think that she did 60 in 30 days.

         11        And I think the person with the longest road record

         12        was Commissioner Henderson who had sort of gone into

         13        dilusions about mid-August and was writing e-mails

         14        from the middle of I-4 about his various experiences

         15        on AM radio.

         16             So, our Commissioners, I think one of the things

         17        that in retrospect that we can be proud of is, because

         18        these issues were relatively complicated and because

         19        these issues were presented to the public without

         20        millions of dollars to explain them, part of the

         21        reason that I think that they were successful is the

         22        impression that the public had from the Commissioners

         23        they saw.  And I think our Commissioners made an

         24        enormous effort to speak to lots of groups and to make

         25        an impression.  And even if they only saw one


          1        Commissioner, I think that they had faith in the

          2        process.

          3             So, one of the things that we said toward the

          4        end, when we were concerned and not so optimistic,

          5        since everyone was telling us, Well, it's about time

          6        for them to all fail again, was what a successful

          7        process this would have been even if everything would

          8        have failed because of the level of debate, because of

          9        the public education.  And I was prepared for that

         10        this speech, and I wasn't at all prepared for the

         11        speech that said, Gee, they all passed.

         12             So, Mr. Chairman, with Ron's efforts and others

         13        and your support, and really the individual efforts, I

         14        would say that strongly the effort of public education

         15        should be reviewed specifically and I think it made a

         16        difference.  It made a difference because individual

         17        Commissioners took a role.  We had, as a Commission,

         18        at least some resources to try to explain this to the

         19        public.  We had the cooperation of the legal women

         20        voters, the Collins Center and other groups who

         21        actually organized and put on forums.

         22             We had not only those commitments, but we had the

         23        commitments from a lot of individual groups who simply

         24        wanted more information.  I think it's important that

         25        we pass on the need to have the education process,


          1        that it be funded.  We did take a poll, and I think

          2        that would parenthetically say that was a good idea.

          3        It was a good idea because it identified what public

          4        confusion there might be about various other

          5        proposals.  And in that regard, Mr. Chairman, since

          6        this was an impromptu discussion of public education,

          7        I do think that we have to pass on it, or I think that

          8        we should have other Commissioners comment on the

          9        public education process and what we should ask the

         10        Commission to do in 20 years.

         11             Because, while I don't think -- I think the

         12        drafting was important, and I think the ballot

         13        language was important, none of this was foreordained

         14        by the time we put this on the ballot.  And there was

         15        still concern, confusion, et cetera.  And I think that

         16        a combination of hard work and a structured approach

         17        would be continually helpful.  And I would solicit

         18        other comments on public education.

         19             COMMISSIONER THOMPSON:  Okay.  Any questions or

         20        comments on public education in response to

         21        Commissioner Mills' comments?  Thank you, Commissioner

         22        Mills.

         23             The Chairman asked me to ask the Secretary to

         24        call the roll.  He forgot to do that.  And if you

         25        will, just answer present, we need to go through the


          1        roll very quickly and we can't do it on the board the

          2        way it's set up.  Please proceed.

          3             (Roll verbally taken.)

          4             COMMISSIONER THOMPSON:  We want to proceed now

          5        into the members' comments on planning and any kinds

          6        of comments that we might have that might help others

          7        in the future.  And I think that will be very helpful

          8        to us.  We have heard a little bit from Commissioner

          9        Barkdull and we have heard some comments from

         10        Commissioner Mills on how the campaign sort of

         11        unfolded.  But I would like to open the floor now on

         12        behalf of our chairman for those of you who would like

         13        to comment on the process and planning for future

         14        Commissioners such as Commissioner Barkdull and others

         15        that will be in these chairs 20 years from now.

         16             So, who would like to be recognized?

         17        Commissioner Zack, you are recognized.

         18             COMMISSIONER ZACK:  Well, whatever we did, it

         19        worked, so I would suggest that we continue to

         20        recommend what we did as a blueprint for future

         21        commissions.  Everyone has comments, but there are two

         22        specific suggestions that I think set the tone for

         23        everything that we accomplished.

         24             And the first was the super majority vote

         25        requirement.  And to the extent that that could be


          1        institutionalized, I think that made the difference.

          2        We knew that if we had that many people in favor of a

          3        proposal, that we had reached a consensus about

          4        something that was important to the state and that it

          5        wasn't just important to a few people sitting in the

          6        chamber.

          7             And the second point was the nonpartisan aspect

          8        of this Commission.  It was emphasized from the first

          9        meeting, it was achieved throughout the process, and

         10        it's important that whatever can be done to continue

         11        to represent a nonpartisan approach to whatever we do

         12        in the future, where the next Commission can say, as

         13        we did, that we did what was right for the people of

         14        the State of Florida and not for any particular party,

         15        that we'll continue to make sure that that is part of

         16        this process.

         17             On a personal note, I just want to take this last

         18        opportunity to thank everyone in this chamber for

         19        making this experience very, very meaningful to me,

         20        one that I'll remember all of my life.  And the

         21        friendships that were made, as Judge Barkdull said in

         22        our first meeting, are lifelong friendships and I hope

         23        we'll have an opportunity to meet again in the future.

         24             COMMISSIONER THOMPSON:  Commissioner Barnett

         25        recognized for comments.


          1             COMMISSIONER BARNETT:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

          2        I've always viewed the Constitution Revision

          3        Commission as really the people's Commission, a unique

          4        body in this state and maybe in the country, in that

          5        each of us, while we are appointed by an individual,

          6        we really are representative of the people of the

          7        state, evidenced by our ability to take our proposal

          8        straight to the ballot.  The thing that impressed me

          9        the most and that I felt guided my actions as a member

         10        of the Commission were the input from the public.  The

         11        public hearings, I think, are a critical component of

         12        why the work products of this Commission were so

         13        successful.

         14             First, in seeking input from the public and even

         15        establishing the agenda for the Commission, I think,

         16        laid a foundation and framework that was very useful

         17        ultimately when we took a proposal back to the people

         18        and asked them to vote on it.  I don't know if the

         19        staff has done any calculations, but I suspect that

         20        many of the proposals that actually became

         21        recommendations of this Commission had their genesis

         22        in public testimony and that they were recommended by

         23        a citizen of the state.

         24             Some were issues that we may have come up with

         25        anyway because of their importance to the state, but I


          1        believe that a vast majority of the issues that we

          2        discussed and debated and ultimately proposed, as I

          3        said, had their genesis in the public.

          4             Once we came up with our preliminary

          5        recommendations, I think it was also wise, even though

          6        it was difficult logistically to do, to take those

          7        proposals back to the people, to see if in fact we

          8        were dealing with issues that the people thought were

          9        important.  And I think we learned a lot from those

         10        subsequent public hearings.  So, if there's one thing

         11        that I would recommend that future commissions do, it

         12        is to listen to the people of the state because

         13        ultimately, as the people's Commission, we are asking

         14        them to endorse the amendments and changes to their

         15        basic framework of government.

         16             I would like Commissioner Zack, just a moment, to

         17        thank each of you.  It's been a privilege to get to

         18        know some old friends better and to meet some new

         19        friends.  I have tremendous respect for each of you

         20        individually and for many of those who are not here.

         21        And I want to thank you, and wherever Mr. Chairman is,

         22        to thank him particularly for his leadership during

         23        this process.

         24             COMMISSIONER THOMPSON:  Thank you, Commissioner

         25        Barnett.  The Chairman had to go see the Governor for


          1        a few minutes and he had to accommodate the Governor's

          2        schedule on that.  Further comments?  Commissioner

          3        Kogan, you are recognized, sir.

          4             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

          5        Just a few comments.  First of all, I think it becomes

          6        incumbent upon whoever the appointing authorities are

          7        20 years from today, that those persons that are going

          8        to be appointed, be advised as to the amount of time

          9        that this particular adventure is going to take.  I

         10        think that's very, very critical.  I don't know how

         11        many of you anticipated that you would be required to

         12        spend this much time.  I didn't find out until I

         13        appointed my people and I'm sure that a lot of you

         14        probably were never informed as to the amount of time

         15        it would take.  So, from a technical aspect, I think

         16        that's necessary.

         17             I think also we need to, as has been said before,

         18        make sure that we have persons on here who have open

         19        minds, while you may have a different particular --

         20        oh, Governor, how are you this morning?

         21             GOVERNOR CHILES:  Good.

         22             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  Mr. Comptroller, how are you

         23        doing today?

         24             COMPTROLLER MILLIGAN:  Doing fine, sir, thank

         25        you.


          1             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Will the Commissioner yield?

          2             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  I'll yield, I'll yield.

          3             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  We interrupt this program to

          4        have the great pleasure of introducing you to two of

          5        the people who are quite instrumental in our work.

          6        Certainly first, the Governor, Lawton Chiles, who

          7        appointed 15 of us and who selected me as chairman.

          8        And I think I've said this before, that I've known a

          9        lot of people in my short life and had a lot of

         10        friends, but Governor Chiles is one of those rare

         11        individuals who, no matter how high he rises in the

         12        estimation of the public and others, he has remained

         13        the same from the day that I met him at the University

         14        of Florida when we were both brilliant underachievers

         15        in the classroom.

         16             And he still is an overachiever in serving the

         17        public, but he's above all else, someone who carries

         18        the old values that Commissioner Barkdull and I

         19        remember well, of never, ever isolating a friend or

         20        forgetting a friendship and never, ever burning all of

         21        your bridges with those that happen to disagree with

         22        you today, that tomorrow it may be advantageous for

         23        the state or for what other country that you align

         24        yourself with, those people that you have disagreed

         25        with and go forward.


          1             And Governor Chiles' service, which is now coming

          2        to an end, and I trust will not end in the public

          3        sense, but in the elective sense, it is coming to an

          4        end.  And he and Mrs. Chiles, as you-all know, have

          5        been a great asset to our state, and whoever follows

          6        him from now on will have a benchmark of service to

          7        follow in their career.

          8             I would like to present to you at this time, the

          9        Governor of the State of Florida, Governor Lawton

         10        Chiles.

         11             (Standing ovation.)

         12             GOVERNOR CHILES:  Thank you very much,

         13        Mr. Chairman.  I thank you, you are very kind, thank

         14        you.  I want to take this opportunity to thank each of

         15        you, and you, Mr. Chairman, for the outstanding job

         16        that you have done.  I think the results speak for

         17        themselves of what a wonderful sort of slam dunk to

         18        see that the people went along with the

         19        recommendations that y'all made in the overwhelming

         20        way that they did.

         21             You have served the state very well in this

         22        capacity, your judgments were very sound in the

         23        provisions that you presented to the people, and I

         24        think the people will be served, I know they will, for

         25        a number of years, for many, many years with the


          1        changes that you have made.

          2             Your deliberations were very sound.  I know that

          3        nothing like that is easy, I know that there were some

          4        tough issues, I know that everybody didn't get

          5        everything that they wanted, but you worked through it

          6        in that you were able to come together and put

          7        together a package that was very sound and received

          8        tremendous support from the people.  Thank you very

          9        much on behalf of the people of the State of Florida

         10        for the tremendous job that you did.

         11             Mr. Chairman, you did a great job as chairman,

         12        you have served me very, very well, and I thank you

         13        for that role in what you did as well.  Thank you.

         14             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  We also have with us today

         15        Comptroller Milligan, who I think I've said this

         16        before, is probably one of the most dedicated people

         17        that we have had come into the Cabinet, certainly the

         18        most, in my career, dedicated to doing what he

         19        believes is correct without reference to political

         20        repercussions, which is a very difficult job in the

         21        Cabinet as you all know.  And he is the gentleman,

         22        along with Commissioner Nelson who came to the party

         23        last night but came at 6:30 and left before we got

         24        there, and this morning he didn't get here yet, so we

         25        were going to ask him to say a few words.  But in his


          1        absence, we'll ask Comptroller Milligan, and he and

          2        Commissioner Nelson, as you know, proposed the Cabinet

          3        restructure which passed and is going into effect.

          4             Commissioner Milligan, great public server and a

          5        great comptroller, Commissioner Milligan.

          6             (Standing ovation.)

          7             COMMISSIONER MILLIGAN:  Please sit down.  I think

          8        it's fine to stand up for the Governor, but since I

          9        retired as a general officer I don't expect people to

         10        stand up for me anymore.

         11             (Laughter.)

         12             COMMISSIONER MILLIGAN:  I want to take advantage

         13        of this opportunity to make perhaps a slightly

         14        different comment.  This morning the Governor and

         15        myself with the rest of the Cabinet members are

         16        sitting as the clemency board.  And we talked a little

         17        bit earlier, the Chairman did, about the Governor and

         18        his good leadership.

         19             And I want to use this opportunity to make a

         20        comment about the Governor's leadership, and it's

         21        really exemplified in this clemency board.  And I have

         22        told him a number of times that it's probably the most

         23        difficult job that I think that anybody could probably

         24        be asked to do, to serve as the head of this board

         25        that is dealing with the lives of men and women, the


          1        victims, the criminals and their families, and how he

          2        does it in such a concerned way about people, which I

          3        believe is the single mark of a great leader to be

          4        genuinely concerned about people.

          5             So, I want to tell you, Governor, I put you at

          6        the very top of people that are genuinely concerned

          7        about people, and I thank you for the example that you

          8        have set for me and the leadership that you have given

          9        to me and to this state.

         10             That same leadership and concern for people I

         11        think was reflected in the effort of this Commission.

         12        And the effort that you put into really being

         13        concerned about the future of this state and the

         14        people that live in it, and a reflection in your

         15        efforts that in every, every case reflected the idea

         16        of being genuinely concerned about people.  And I

         17        think that then was reflected in the results on 3

         18        November.

         19             And so I thank you for your leadership and the

         20        type of leadership that I think we miss sometimes in

         21        the execution of our duties in really being genuinely

         22        concerned about people.  Unfortunately, you have put

         23        me out of a job, but I thank you for supporting what I

         24        think was Amendment 8 which was a great step forward

         25        in the way that this state does business and does


          1        business in the Sunshine but does it in a more

          2        effective and more efficient manner.  So, God bless

          3        you all and thank you very much for what you have

          4        done.

          5             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  All right.  We will go

          6        forward.  Now, Commissioner Kogan, you had the floor

          7        and yielded.  Commissioner Butterworth, do you want to

          8        make any remarks before you leave to go to clemency?

          9             COMMISSIONER BUTTERWORTH:  Will my former boss

         10        yield for a second?

         11             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  He yields.

         12             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  For those of you that don't

         13        know, the General's first legal job was working in the

         14        Dade County State Attorney's Office where I employed

         15        him for the magnificent sum of -- was it $2.00 per

         16        hour?

         17             COMMISSIONER BUTTERWORTH:  One dollar, I asked

         18        for 2.

         19             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  One dollar an hour, but I

         20        have to tell him, you know, 20 years later, or

         21        whatever it is, 30 years actually, I have to tell

         22        him --

         23             COMMISSIONER BUTTERWORTH:  More than 30 years

         24        just this month.

         25             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  Yes.  And a dollar went a


          1        long way in those days.

          2             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Not as far as you thought,

          3        Justice.

          4             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  Well, I'm glad to see that

          5        you made a success out of yourself despite your low

          6        payment back in those days.

          7             COMMISSIONER BUTTERWORTH:  I still have that

          8        first dollar, Justice.  I thought at some point in

          9        time I would want to give it back to you.

         10             I would like to thank all of you for the

         11        opportunity to serve with you on this Commission.

         12        I've had an opportunity to serve in government for a

         13        number of years and I really believe that when you

         14        throw 35 people at an issue, you kind of wonder what's

         15        going to happen, and what happened 20 years before we

         16        came here, we really -- I think probably because of

         17        what happened 20 years ago, we were probably more

         18        wanting to do what was right.  Whatever happened,

         19        obviously, the public didn't buy into it.

         20             I want to compliment Judge Barkdull for the

         21        leadership role that he played even before we were all

         22        appointed.  And Judge Barkdull, who had served on all

         23        but the first Constitution Revision Commission, and I

         24        think he did serve on the first but he just won't

         25        admit it, is that -- it was in the 1880s or 1840s, so


          1        we had to come in organized that -- we only had a few

          2        months, and the best thing was to have the Governor

          3        and the Legislature give us some authority beforehand.

          4             If it hadn't been for Judge Barkdull's pushing on

          5        this issue, I do not believe that it would have

          6        happened.  Judge, I thank you for that and I think

          7        that the people of the State of Florida should also.

          8        And because we did come in organized and we didn't

          9        miss those first two or three months of having to get

         10        ourselves organized, we already had, if we wanted to

         11        accept it as we did, the rules, the public hearings,

         12        the organization.  We learned from the past.

         13             But I think one of the big things was the

         14        openness.  And as Commissioner Barnett stated, we

         15        heard from the people in the beginning, we took the

         16        product back to the people, we heard from them again.

         17        We were up on the Web and if anybody wanted any

         18        information about the Commission, they could get it.

         19        And as to the news media, I believe, gave us very fair

         20        flak, and I think the public had a good feeling about

         21        this Commission and I think that they knew that it was

         22        the people's Commission.

         23             And that I believe was -- and the product that we

         24        gave them.  Because, as Commissioner Zack stated, by

         25        having the super majority vote, we, in essence, were


          1        not sending anything to the people that was a fringe

          2        issue, it was a centralist, more of a centralist

          3        issue, and I think that's what really played very

          4        well, that no one in this state, and having had the

          5        opportunity to be campaigning, not only for this, but

          6        for another issue at the time, I was not hearing

          7        anything negative about the Commission or negative

          8        about any of the issues.  There was some, certainly,

          9        but nothing truly negative.

         10             One suggestion that I would like to make and know

         11        that now judge and former Attorney General Bob Sheven

         12        would agree with me on, and that is that it's very,

         13        very difficult for a sitting attorney general in

         14        election years, and it always happens in election

         15        years, even when we meet 20 years from now, to be able

         16        to serve on this commission and give it the full time

         17        that we would like to when we also have to run a major

         18        office in government.

         19             And as I stated before, I never said Legislative

         20        branch, but in my 25 years of government beforehand, I

         21        was able to avoid each and every one of those trivial

         22        issues, which loses you 5 percent of the vote.  And

         23        literally in 30 minutes I voted on 20 issues that cost

         24        me 100 percent of the vote, actually the State of

         25        Florida.


          1             But all of that aside, I do want to thank you for

          2        your dedication, for your friendship, and I really

          3        truly have enjoyed being part of the process.  My only

          4        regret being, because of the challenge of the office

          5        that I'm in now and also that small tobacco case that

          6        we had ongoing, that I could not spend my full time

          7        and commitment the way that I really wanted to when I

          8        first realized that I was to be appointed.  And I

          9        said, Why, and they said, Because the Constitution

         10        says so.  So, thank you very much.

         11             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Thank you.  We are going to

         12        try to the wind up our entire program by 10:30, so

         13        remarks are appreciated and asked.  Commissioner

         14        Kogan.

         15             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  Thanks.  I'll try.

         16             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  That wasn't an attempt to

         17        limit you, sir.

         18             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  In any event, I found that

         19        because we had a great diversity as to the membership

         20        of this particular Commission, we accomplished the

         21        many things that we did.  I wasn't really that

         22        surprised that we did that well, because I think as a

         23        group here we represented a cross section of the

         24        people of the State of Florida and that is the reason

         25        why we did as well as we did.


          1             I want to thank all of you for giving me the

          2        privilege and opportunity to work for all of you.  For

          3        those of you who may not know it, within a couple of

          4        weeks now, as a matter of fact two weeks from today,

          5        I'll be stepping down from the Supreme Court to return

          6        to private life, which is nice because now it gives me

          7        the opportunity to say all of those outrageous things

          8        that I wanted to say during the last 18 and a half

          9        years and never really had the opportunity to do it.

         10             But, Tom, I want to say one thing, I'm glad that

         11        you have learned a lesson, that you will pay more

         12        attention, and that's important because in the year

         13        2017, as Governor, I will appoint you to the next

         14        Constitution Revision Commission.  Thank you,

         15        everybody.  And I am going to have to leave maybe a

         16        little bit early today.  All right.  Commissioner

         17        Kogan has just filed his papers with the Secretary of

         18        State having announced his candidacy for Governor.

         19        Also, we thought you made those outrageous remarks

         20        before you retired.

         21             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  They were opinions.

         22             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Opinions.

         23             COMMISSIONER KOGAN:  Yes, but you have got to

         24        remember that most of them are joined in by six

         25        others.


          1             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  That's true.  And now I would

          2        recognize anyone else that -- Commissioner

          3        Evans-Jones.

          4             COMMISSIONER EVANS-JONES:  Thank you,

          5        Mr. Chairman.  I want to also say how much I've

          6        enjoyed serving with each and every one of you.  And I

          7        think one of the fun things that I thoroughly enjoyed

          8        was in my 10 years in the Legislature, we never

          9        listened to one another, very seldom did we change

         10        votes; everybody knew what they were going to do

         11        before all of the discussions happened.  But I think

         12        here we truly listened with an open mind and we

         13        changed our opinions many times because of what was

         14        said.  And I think that's really exciting.

         15             I also did enjoy the nonpartisan group here, I

         16        think it was as good that we had as many Democrats and

         17        Republicans, because I do think it reflected the

         18        thinking of Florida.  I think the super majority was

         19        essential.  I think that's one thing that we really,

         20        really need to pass on to the next Commission.  I

         21        think the public hearings, Commissioner Barnett, we

         22        really did listen.  And I think that's why the votes

         23        were there because we did reflect those views.

         24             And I also want to thank our chairman because I

         25        thought he was a very fair and good chairman, and I


          1        think that we needed that sort of leadership to feel

          2        that we were being treated fairly.  And I also think

          3        that without the Secretary and without the staff that

          4        we had, we would have never accomplished what we would

          5        have accomplished.

          6             (Applause.)

          7             COMMISSIONER EVANS-JONES:  And I don't know when

          8        I've seen as few people do as much as they did.  And I

          9        just think that we are all greatly in their debt.

         10        Again, I want to thank you and tell you how much fun

         11        it was.  And I was astounded, I have to admit, that we

         12        really did quite as well as we did, so I think that

         13        was exciting.  And I did find, when talking to the

         14        people, that a lot of the groups that I spoke to had

         15        been told, Vote no on everything.  And I think people

         16        found that to be a little bit insulting to their

         17        intelligence.  And when they heard the issues, they

         18        certainly had the ability to make a determination as

         19        to what they wanted to do.  And I think that was

         20        exciting.

         21             So, now, Mr. Chairman, I am going to go home and

         22        I have got a party called Thanksmaschrisgiving that I

         23        have every year, and I am going to have it on

         24        December the 19th, and I will be having my 18

         25        grandchildren, so I want all of you to realize that I


          1        have to go home and wrap presents for everybody.  And

          2        it was great to be here.

          3             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  With 18 grandchildren, we

          4        will also remember you in our prayers.  Thank you very

          5        much, Commissioner Evans-Jones.  Commissioner

          6        Ford-Coates.  Now, this is not one of those '60s

          7        speeches now.

          8             COMMISSIONER FORD-COATES:  Gee, I thought I might

          9        give you one of my endings to those speeches because I

         10        wanted to formally express to everyone my husband's

         11        greetings to you all.  He is at work today, I am happy

         12        to say, which is good after being off for two months,

         13        but he does miss being here.  This is the only meeting

         14        he hasn't attended, but I do want to tell you that

         15        while I was out giving those 60 speeches, at the end

         16        of every speech when I got to Revision 11 and wanted

         17        to talk about gender equity in the Constitution, I did

         18        mention one of my husband's birthday presents, and

         19        see, Judy, I do have one picture of her that is bigger

         20        than wallet size.  We became grandparents on August

         21        23rd.  This is Madelyn Rose May Bricker, so I am happy

         22        to go home to just one grandchild and wrap lots of

         23        presents.

         24             Mr. Chairman, I want to add to Commissioner

         25        Barkdull's comments on the Steering Committee because


          1        I think that perhaps is easily the one piece that can

          2        best prepare the Commission of 2018.  And I would like

          3        to suggest that perhaps one of the things that the

          4        Steering Committee take up next time is the design of

          5        an orientation process that perhaps could happen

          6        during the session in one day.  Not our official

          7        opening meeting that we had where everyone came and

          8        addressed us and we spent two days for kind of getting

          9        a feel for what we were doing.

         10             I think many of us could have used some

         11        orientation on the history of the Constitution, on

         12        parliamentary procedure, on a lot of discussion of the

         13        rules and how they would work, and perhaps a video at

         14        that time of the process.  There was a lot of

         15        confusion that many of us had as we went through

         16        trying to understand the terms with which we were not

         17        familiar on how the proposals would move through the

         18        process, et cetera.  I think that we could perhaps be

         19        of service to the Commission in 2018 if we design an

         20        orientation process at that time.

         21             And set the calendar, obviously, earlier so that

         22        that commission can start immediately at the close of

         23        the legislative session, have the calendar set long

         24        before the legislative session finishes.  And that

         25        Commission could meet to do that ahead of time.


          1             The other thing I believe the Steering Committee

          2        would play a major part in is dealing with whatever

          3        electronic changes we will be facing, which I believe

          4        in the area of voting will be significant in the next

          5        20 years.  I know you-all got the same kind of

          6        questions I did, why did we bundle the proposals.

          7        Perhaps in the year 2018 it'll be electronic voting

          8        and 33 proposals won't be that confusing, who knows.

          9             But I think there will be a lot of issues that

         10        that Steering Committee will need to look at, perhaps

         11        even more so than this one did, and I think that the

         12        Steering Committee did a magnificent job of setting

         13        the agenda, of doing the proposed rules, et cetera,

         14        and I thank them extremely for that.  I know I

         15        attended several of the Steering Committee meetings.

         16             And I would like to obviously add my thanks to

         17        each one of you whom I consider a dear friend and will

         18        always.  And I hope that we all stay in touch.  If you

         19        don't have an E-mail address, you should get one

         20        because that probably is the best way that any of us

         21        have been able to communicate.  Thank you.

         22             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Thank you.  All right.

         23        Commissioner Freiden.  Women and men alike.  Men and

         24        women alike?

         25             (Laughter.)


          1             COMMISSIONER FREIDIN:  Female and male alike,

          2        isn't that what it was, Commissioner Connor?  You

          3        know, I think that as -- the older I get, what I find

          4        is that it is very rare to find anyone who is always

          5        committed to doing what's right, always committed to

          6        helping people, and always committed to leaving this

          7        world a place that is better than when they got here.

          8        And I think that what made this process successful is

          9        also the thing that made it so incredibly wonderful

         10        for me personally, which was the fact that there were

         11        37 people who were committed to all of those things,

         12        that all sat in this room, day after day, week after

         13        week, talked from our hearts and from our minds, but

         14        talked only in terms of what we really felt was right.

         15             And I think if there is any message to the

         16        appointing authorities 20 years from now, it is to

         17        please find people who will do what this group of

         18        people did, which was to remain committed to their own

         19        personal principles and not be swayed by political

         20        concerns and not be swayed by things that really

         21        didn't belong in the process, but just always do what

         22        they think is right.

         23             And it has been for me just the most special

         24        privilege, certainly the greatest professional

         25        experience of my life, to serve with all of you.  And


          1        I want to thank you all for allowing me the privilege

          2        of doing that.

          3             With regard to suggestions for the future, I

          4        really think that something needs to be said, and this

          5        is my suggestion for the future, by way of recognizing

          6        an effort that I think was really extraordinary on our

          7        Commission.  My suggestion for the future is that John

          8        Mills be appointed to head Style and Drafting again,

          9        to head Public Information again.  What else did he

         10        do?

         11             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Well, he is getting an award.

         12             COMMISSIONER FREIDIN:  Am I stealing your

         13        thunder, Mr. Chairman?

         14             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Not mine, his.

         15             COMMISSIONER FREIDIN:  Well, he wants me to warm

         16        it up.

         17             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Yes.

         18             (Laughter.)

         19             COMMISSIONER FREIDIN:  But I, you know, having

         20        watched John and the other members of the Style and

         21        Drafting Committee and the amount of incredible hard

         22        work but good work that they did, I must say that I

         23        think that a large portion of our success was based on

         24        the way the ballot package was put together.  And for

         25        that, I think that he deserves a round of applause and


          1        a vote of thanks.

          2             (Applause.)

          3             COMMISSIONER FREIDIN:  And his tireless

          4        leadership of the public information campaign goes

          5        without saying.  The only other suggestion, Barbara, I

          6        was going to say the same thing that you did about

          7        orientation.  I think that many of us, and we have had

          8        discussions as we have gone along, that we kind of

          9        felt in the dark as we started out and we didn't

         10        really know where things were going and we understood

         11        that there were proposals but we didn't know how they

         12        were going to get from point A to point B, and I think

         13        it would be wonderful to have a written description of

         14        how we did it for the next Commission.  And I hope

         15        that that would be done.

         16             The other thing that I would really love to see

         17        done is some refining of the committee process.  I

         18        think that -- I actually think that it is a good idea

         19        not to let committees kill proposals, although I think

         20        that there are some proposals that maybe should be

         21        able to be killed by an overwhelming vote, not just a

         22        little super majority, but maybe something like a

         23        75 percent vote or an 80 percent vote of a committee,

         24        maybe.  But I think that's something that ought to be

         25        looked at, but otherwise I think it's good to let


          1        things come to the floor.

          2             But the thing that I would most suggest with

          3        regard to the committee process is that there be more

          4        available to the committee members in terms of expert

          5        testimony and backup data.  In some instances, with

          6        some proposals, there was lots, and in other instances

          7        there wasn't enough.  It would be nice to have a

          8        constitutional law expert or some other kind of expert

          9        who would have practical experience to provide to the

         10        committee members.

         11             Other than that, Mr. Chairman, I don't think that

         12        I have any other specific suggestions other than to

         13        also thank you very much for your great leadership.

         14        Last night at the DoubleTree, as we were having our

         15        final meeting there of the Double Tree gang, we

         16        started making a list of all of the snafus that may

         17        have occurred from the podium during the time of your

         18        leadership, but in the end after we discussed all of

         19        those snafus, it was unanimous, and I think it is

         20        today that you have provided us with great leadership

         21        and we are more than thrilled to have served with you

         22        and we thank you very much.

         23             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Thank you.  All right.  Does

         24        anyone else have any remarks?  I knew Commissioner

         25        Henderson.


          1             COMMISSIONER HENDERSON:  And Commissioner

          2        Sundberg.

          3             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Okay.  You can get the last

          4        word, how is that?   Commissioner Sundberg.

          5             COMMISSIONER SUNDBERG:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

          6        Just a couple of remarks.  Commenting on the committee

          7        system, I believe that the way that the committee

          8        system operated for this Commission is the appropriate

          9        role for committees.  I don't think that the

         10        committees ought to have the ability by any type of

         11        vote to eliminate a proposal from coming forward to

         12        the full Commission.  Having said that, however, I

         13        think that the process could be refined if we could,

         14        or if the Commission, future Commission, could

         15        institute a multiple reading process such as they have

         16        in the Legislature.

         17             I think in many instances we were faced with

         18        proposals or propositions, we discussed them, votes

         19        were taken, that I think people felt the need to

         20        reconsider at a subsequent time.  I think if there was

         21        a process of multiple readings, so that there would be

         22        a second reading on these proposals, they could be

         23        flushed out better.

         24             With respect to staff support and committee

         25        process, again accolades to John Mills.  John headed


          1        up the Select Committee dealing with the Article V

          2        issues, the funding issues, which were, as you all

          3        know, very complex issues.  And that committee met

          4        interminably, but it had great staff support from the

          5        Legislature, John Dew of the Legislative committee

          6        brought the information forward.  I was impatient to

          7        move something, and John, and I think quite properly,

          8        acted as a governor on that enthusiasm of mine and I

          9        think we got a much better product as a result of

         10        that.  So, from that standpoint, I thought that that

         11        was committee work that was well worthwhile.

         12             With respect to the public hearings, I agree with

         13        everything that's been said with virtue and with

         14        respect to the public hearings.  I would make one

         15        other point, and I think that it was important to the

         16        process, and that is, I think the public hearings in

         17        view of the public with the view that, in fact, this

         18        was going to be an open process, and that what they

         19        had to say was important to this group, consequently I

         20        think our product had a legitimacy with the public

         21        that it might not otherwise have had.

         22             I close by wishing to publicly thank and be

         23        grateful to Justice Kogan for having appointed me to

         24        this Commission and to each of you for the opportunity

         25        to have served with you.  Thank you very much.


          1             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Commissioner Henderson to

          2        close.

          3             COMMISSIONER HENDERSON:  Some of us regret having

          4        to following Sundberg who is always so damned

          5        eloquent, you know.  I got home to find that my kids

          6        have all grown about an inch and a half while I was

          7        out on the trail.  I had a couple of days off, but the

          8        euphoria of the occasion I think is still with me and

          9        with some others.

         10             I think that it is important to reflect at a time

         11        like this that what was accomplished by the people of

         12        this state on election day as a result of our work,

         13        and indeed the Legislature's was a most significant

         14        constitutional change that's ever occurred on any one

         15        day in the history of this state.  That sounds like a

         16        lot of hyperbole, but when you look back at the

         17        Constitutions which have proceeded us and those votes,

         18        even at some very historic times, no changes changed

         19        all of the branches of government as we did and

         20        affected the fundamental Constitutional change that we

         21        did.

         22             Everyone has explained some of the reasons for

         23        that.  I think ultimately it is the fact that we came

         24        together in a collegial way, a diverse group, and

         25        reached a consensus.  And out there on the hustings,


          1        it is very interesting to see, you know, toward the

          2        end of this process, you know, anyone that's run for

          3        public office, you know you get that feel, you know

          4        that feel when the people come to you, when the people

          5        embrace what you are doing, the people begin to

          6        collectively breathe that sigh of relief, they have

          7        come to a judgment, and we saw that out there.  I saw

          8        it in every part of the state, except for the

          9        Panhandle, Judith, it didn't happen in the Panhandle,

         10        I saw it in every part of the state, and it was this

         11        collective judgment.

         12             You know, you get to see it sometimes in a jury

         13        trial, you have probably seen it a few times.  So

         14        there was just this overwhelming thing to be able to

         15        see that kind of consensus reflected back with the

         16        people.  And I'll carry that with me for the rest of

         17        my life.

         18             The friendships that we have pulled together in

         19        the course of the 18 months, I already miss you-all,

         20        it's been great to see everybody on the last day.  We

         21        need to find opportunities to stay in touch by

         22        something a little more personal than e-mail, although

         23        I think our e-mail has probably became very personal.

         24        I think that's kind of the ultimate record.  I was

         25        thinking we could put together the archives, you know,


          1        if there was a way to scroll together all of those

          2        e-mails from all of us late in the day, I don't think

          3        that -- or actually, let's not do that.

          4             I don't think that any of us, and if somebody

          5        will predict, I don't think that any of us though

          6        predicted that eight of nine of these would pass.  Did

          7        anyone here actually predict that eight of our nine

          8        would pass?  I don't think that any of us did, but I

          9        think most of us thought that most of these were going

         10        to pass.

         11             Just a couple of things, just little snippets

         12        that I remember from the process.  I don't know if any

         13        of y'all got to sit through the focus groups, they

         14        were interesting, educational, I'll carry to my grave

         15        this wonderful focus group of -- we pulled together

         16        Joe Six-pack in Jacksonville.  This was, you know, the

         17        half of a dozen blue-collar folks, all of them came in

         18        black pickup trucks and baseball caps and we pulled

         19        them around the room and handed them the

         20        Constitutional amendments and this one fellow -- of

         21        course, you know, we are on the other side of two-way

         22        glass, they can't see that we are here.  This one guy

         23        said, What damn fool lawyer wrote this?  And I

         24        resembled that remark.

         25             And another thing that I remember, you know, we


          1        talked about the debate, Marilyn Evans-Jones talked

          2        about the debate, about how many times in the course

          3        of a debate in here did we change our minds in the

          4        middle of an action.  And, H.T., you haven't said

          5        anything yet, because we always waited for you to get

          6        up and say something and we changed our minds

          7        depending upon what H.T. said.

          8             And I remember the first time that I stood here,

          9        I was amazed because I noticed that people were

         10        listening, that never happens, I am not used to that.

         11        I am not used to that, people listening.  Another

         12        thing I remember, late in Style and Drafting we got

         13        caught up in another generation or detail or something

         14        on the Fish Commission and John sent us outside and

         15        set up a table outside of one of the House chambers or

         16        House meeting rooms over here, and for three hours we

         17        stood there with general counsel from one agency and

         18        general counsel for another agency, four other very

         19        brilliant lawyers, and for three hours we debated the

         20        meaning of the word T-H-E, okay?

         21             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  What does it mean?

         22             COMMISSIONER HENDERSON:  I think, Mr. Chairman,

         23        it depends upon what the definition of the the is is,

         24        but I don't know.  But what we learned is what

         25        justices deal with all of the time, that words matter


          1        and how important that is.  Anyway, I appreciate this

          2        time, it was very exciting to be part of this process.

          3        I said it over and over again in the course of my

          4        travels out there, the most important thing is to be

          5        on the right side of history, and I don't think that

          6        any of us in this room doubt that everything that we

          7        did in the course of this action was good and the

          8        right thing to do and on the right side of history,

          9        thanks to all of you.  Mr. Chairman, from the bowels

         10        of the doghouse back here, I appreciate everything

         11        that you have done for the benefit of the people of

         12        the State of Florida and this Commission.

         13             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Thank you, sir.  Commissioner

         14        Alfonso.  Now, some of these people are going to get

         15        to speak again when they get awards, Commissioner

         16        Alfonso.

         17             COMMISSIONER ALFONSO:  I just wanted to remind

         18        Commissioner Henderson, this is a very quick comment.

         19        But I got an e-mail, I just threw out a little

         20        question on the e-mail, what about Revision 8, nobody

         21        ever talks about revision eight, so I got a response

         22        from Commissioner Henderson that said, revision eight

         23        is a dog, it always was a dog, and it is going

         24        nowhere.  That was my response.  So, yes, it was a

         25        dog, but it did hunt.


          1             (Laughter.)

          2             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  All right.  I would like

          3        to -- we'll give you a chance, but I would like to go

          4        ahead and make my remarks and make the awards that we

          5        are going to make.  I don't want to cut anybody off,

          6        but Justice Kogan just left, so you know we have got

          7        to be careful.  Let me say, as Chairman, this was a

          8        humbling experience for me.  I started in this process

          9        by drawing the executive order setting up the Study

         10        Commission and chaired the Study Commission for Judge

         11        Barkdull and Commissioner Butterworth and two Speakers

         12        of the House, and from the Senate, Commissioner Scott.

         13        And we met several times, most of you know, and a lot

         14        of work went into that.  And I think, in recommending

         15        something to the future, that that be, as everybody

         16        says, refined and perhaps done better.

         17             I also would like to acknowledge, that nobody has

         18        really touched on, that one of the real architects of

         19        this was Billy Buzzett.  Billy had served as executive

         20        director of the Article V Commission task force,

         21        whatever we called it, and I had seen him in action

         22        there.  And he gets more for the money than any other

         23        administrator I have ever seen, but he also gets his

         24        work done and he did it with very minimal staff.  Over

         25        there he did it with no staff.


          1             Billy participated very strongly in getting this

          2        Study Commission done, and he also served as the

          3        executive director of that.  So he has been with us

          4        from day one, and I recommend to the future that the

          5        person that is going to be the executive director

          6        become involved in the planning process at the time

          7        that it begins and get that done.

          8             We also had money to carry over which he took

          9        care of in the Legislature.  We had money for the

         10        Commission that was saved by him from his other job,

         11        and we were able to function because we did have funds

         12        available to go forward.  That's extremely important

         13        in the future, keep your eye on this, because if the

         14        Legislature is mad with you for some reason, probably

         15        20 years from now they still won't be mad about

         16        anything, they will be worried and concerned with

         17        other issues, they could make it a very difficult

         18        process for the Commission to function.

         19             And with that, I want to recognize the Senate.  I

         20        don't think that any of you know how important it

         21        really was that the Senate President allowed us to use

         22        this chamber at great, great I'm sure logistical

         23        problems for them.  It is a perfect place for this

         24        group, the size is right, everything is correct.

         25             But more than that, the most valuable thing that


          1        we received without expending any funds that were

          2        appropriated for this Commission was the work of the

          3        Senate staff, and particularly the Secretary.  And

          4        they deserve a rising round of applause.

          5             (Standing ovation.)

          6             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  And I want you to know that

          7        they are not all in here because there's another 25 or

          8        30 including all of the bill drafting people.  Can you

          9        imagine how we could have functioned without those

         10        people?  Well, I couldn't have functioned without

         11        Madam Secretary.  Now, she was wrong a lot.  She kept

         12        calling me down when I was right; and furthermore, she

         13        was usually right.  But I think at one time she said,

         14        But you can't do that, and I said, I just did, You

         15        shouldn't have.  I said, I'm like a child, I just did.

         16        She said, You are like a child, and went back to her

         17        place.  So, we did have a lot of fun.  But she was

         18        just invaluable, but all of the other people were as

         19        well that served here with us.  And I think that we

         20        all owe the entire Senate the thanks for having such a

         21        successful Commission.

         22             There's some other things that I would mention,

         23        except to say that I predicted that they would all

         24        pass, but I was wrong, I missed on one.  I really

         25        thought that they would all pass in the end, and I was


          1        afraid to tell anybody.  But some newspaper columnist

          2        did predict exactly what happened.  I think it was

          3        Troxler with the St. Pete Times that predicted that

          4        one would lose and the rest would pass.  And he had a

          5        professor from the University of South Florida who

          6        said they would all flunk and he had another professor

          7        from somewhere that said we would pass two or three.

          8        And I think it was Trossler that said they would all

          9        pass but No. 10.  And I must tell you, I don't know

         10        where he was, but he sure had the pulse of the people

         11        on that.

         12             And No. 10, as you know, lost by less than a half

         13        of a point, 12,000 votes out of several million.  The

         14        whole thing was overwhelming.  All I can tell you is

         15        that the experts, and they were all experts, said

         16        that, you know, these didn't have a chance, they were

         17        too complicated, people didn't understand them.  But

         18        they didn't reckon with the fact that Ron Morris and

         19        Ron Sach, particularly Ron's group and Mark Vankowski

         20        would come up with a proposition that what we needed

         21        to do was to tell the people, with whatever

         22        advertising we had, both sides of the issue and say,

         23        You decide.  Now, that was unique in the election

         24        process.  And the very little bit of television

         25        coverage we got, which wasn't a little bit, it was all


          1        over cable.  They are still running some of them, I

          2        think, I saw one the other night, a public service

          3        announcement running on cable.  But the truth of the

          4        matter is that that message where they were being

          5        bombarded by $30 million worth of negative ads about

          6        the other side, Don't vote for him, this and that and

          7        the other, really struck a chord with the public and

          8        the public did discern between these.

          9             And if you read the results and the amounts of

         10        votes, which I don't know, Commissioner Barkdull, if

         11        he hasn't already given them, is going to.  But you

         12        will see that they voted not in a block.  Some people

         13        probably voted no on all and some people voted yes on

         14        all, but it was a close process.

         15             Many people, according to the exit polls, went

         16        into the polls with marked sample ballots and didn't

         17        take long to vote.  We got more votes for most of our

         18        proposals than any judge got for retention.  The

         19        highest judicial statewide judge was Hardy who got

         20        70 percent, and we had three, I believe, that were

         21        over 70 percent affirmative votes.

         22             So, the experts weren't experts, and I don't

         23        purport to be either, but I got the same feel that

         24        Commissioner Henderson got, that the people were going

         25        to vote for it.  And I wasn't concerned too much about


          1        where they came from, I felt that overall, just the

          2        feeling of having been throughout this state, which we

          3        all got, that it was going that way.  And I attribute

          4        a great deal of it to the tone of the presentation

          5        made and the production of the pros and cons and "you

          6        decide" attitude with the public.

          7             I think some great political people who get paid

          8        hundreds of thousands of dollars to run campaigns and

          9        lose would do well to study this as an emerging

         10        proposition in the United States, and particularly in

         11        the urban states like Florida, or the large populated

         12        states like Florida.

         13             There are a couple of other things.  First of

         14        all, I want to tell you something rather personal.

         15        When we were beginning this process, I think

         16        Chesterfield Smith and Judge Barkdull and several of

         17        us old people were together discussing this, and I

         18        think it was Judge Barkdull who said, Well, this will

         19        be the Douglass Commission.  We had the Allenburg

         20        Commission and we had the Smith Commission.  And I

         21        said, Well, I don't intend for this to be the Douglass

         22        Commission, and he'll remember this, I want it to be

         23        the Commission of 1998, and that's what it is, and

         24        that's what it will remain.  Because I don't intend to

         25        apply to be dean of the law school or president of the


          1        university or president of the American Bar, I'm going

          2        to leave that to Commissioner Barnett.

          3             So, there is an advantage of getting an old man

          4        to be Chairman of this who has no ability at all.  And

          5        not only no ability, but he doesn't have the

          6        stay-with-it to go into some greater thing.  This sort

          7        of caps whatever mediocre career I have had here in

          8        the twilight, and I have certainly enjoyed it.

          9             And the biggest thing about this is you.  We

         10        served the people but we left each other knowing that

         11        we were friends and that we trusted each other.  And

         12        even though some of us were hard on others, some of us

         13        don't get along necessarily well, we argue from time

         14        to time even out on the street or wherever else;

         15        however, we all shared the will to do the right thing,

         16        and we all ultimately recognized that in each other.

         17             And I think that whatever we think of this whole

         18        thing -- I hate the word process, you know, it reminds

         19        me of the guy that serves you with the divorce papers,

         20        process is just not a good word for what we had.  If

         21        anything it was service, not only of the papers, but

         22        of service to the public and to ourselves and to each

         23        other.

         24             We just cannot emphasize too much how much we got

         25        out of our staff.  Debbie Kearney who served me and


          1        Jay Peterson, she ran the Governor's legal office,

          2        they really went to hell when she left.  They didn't

          3        have anybody over there to tell them what the law was

          4        all of the time like I did and Jay did, but she came

          5        to us and she was very valuable.  They didn't really

          6        go to hell, but they sure missed Debbie, and we

          7        didn't, we got a plus out of that.

          8             And Sue Ellen who has been with me throughout my

          9        limited public service and who has been very

         10        invaluable to us all, and all of our other staff, Ron

         11        Morris worked very hard and very quietly got a lot of

         12        things done and -- got things done.  And all of you

         13        join me, I'm sure, in thanking them for that.

         14             (Applause.)

         15             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Now, I would like to

         16        recognize, this is always dangerous, but I think that

         17        you will agree with me when you listen to these awards

         18        that we have come up with here as Chairman's awards

         19        that they are all well-deserved.  I would like to make

         20        these Chairman's awards.  First of all, I have an

         21        award which we have entitled the Draftsmanship Award.

         22        And I don't think that anybody in this room could

         23        argue with the proposition that John Lowndes should

         24        get that award, and John Lowndes gets the

         25        draftsmanship award.  John.


          1             (Applause.)

          2             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  And, John, you don't say

          3        much, but you are going to have to say something after

          4        you get this award.  Come on up, John.

          5             COMMISSIONER LOWNDES:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

          6        I am overwhelmed.  I really thought John Mills did all

          7        of the drafting.  I want to thank the Chairman very

          8        much for this.  I listened to what everybody said

          9        earlier today, and I think that we all felt the way

         10        that so many of us expressed so well, that this is a

         11        wonderful experience and the great part of the

         12        experience was serving with so many bright and able

         13        and dedicated public servants.  And I want to thank

         14        you all for the opportunity to serve with you and

         15        thank you for this award.  Thank you.

         16             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Our next award is called the

         17        conscience award.  Now, we all have consciences but we

         18        had a conscience person that every time this person

         19        came up, we all knew that we should listen because

         20        this was coming from the conscience.  The conscience

         21        award goes to Marilyn Evans-Jones.  Marilyn, your

         22        plaque didn't come, but I'm going to present you

         23        anyway in this photograph, the conscience, we couldn't

         24        find one.

         25             (Applause.)


          1             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  The next award was a tie.

          2        The most effective in debate.  Now, everybody knows

          3        that H.T. Smith won that.  H.T. Smith knows that H.T.

          4        Smith won that.  And he was just a joy to watch from

          5        here.  There's one thing that needs to be said about

          6        H.T. before I call him and his cowinner up, if anybody

          7        has courage in this group, it was H.T. Smith.

          8             He did a couple of things that I'm not sure that

          9        anybody here, except very few of you, can appreciate

         10        the real tough decisions he had to make to go with

         11        what he thought was right when he had great pressures

         12        upon him to do otherwise.  One of them, and I'll refer

         13        to it specifically, and I think you will all agree, he

         14        did one thing that resulted in our getting these

         15        passed.  He had something that he believed in strongly

         16        and a lot of us believed in very strongly that was

         17        going to be referred to as the affirmative action

         18        revision, which would focus the entire process of our

         19        election on that issue and detracted terribly from the

         20        other issues.

         21             If you will recall, recognizing that, he got up

         22        and withdrew that from consideration and saved a lot

         23        of people the trouble of having to vote on it.  H.T.,

         24        your courage in that regard and there are a couple of

         25        others that I won't mention, but it is really an


          1        inspiration to know that Americans' citizenship is

          2        founded on people like you.  And I thank God that we

          3        have people like H.T. Smith.  H.T. Smith is number one

          4        of two that gets the best in debate award, and as you

          5        might expect, Ken Conner is number two.

          6             And I would like to say, come on up, Ken, that

          7        here is another fellow that did a lot of courageous

          8        things as well.  He has a very, very deep-seated

          9        belief in what he says and that's why he's so good in

         10        debate.  And he made a few courageous moves himself by

         11        going against the tide and the pressure.  And I would

         12        like to take these two gentlemen and give them the

         13        award for most effective in debate.

         14             COMMISSIONER SMITH:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.  I

         15        accept this award not for myself but as a

         16        representation of the high quality of debate

         17        throughout this chamber, throughout this journey that

         18        we made.  Let me just also say, with regard to the

         19        staff, not only was this the best staff that I've ever

         20        seen, but the spirit of the staff was the best that I

         21        have ever seen.  I don't know how many times I would

         22        ask the staff for something, and I would say, I need

         23        it tomorrow, and within 15 minutes it was on my desk

         24        and with a smile.  I think that was very important.

         25             Let me thank the Governor for finding me on the


          1        golf course on Friday on the last day of appointments

          2        at the Dural Country Club and insisted that I

          3        participate in this process.  He didn't tell me how

          4        much work would be involved, but I'm glad that I took

          5        this journey with you.  And I would like to thank

          6        whoever got the seating arrangements for me to be

          7        behind Ellen Frieden, next to Mills, next to my

          8        spiritual guru, Allen Sundberg, Captain Sundberg, and

          9        with Bobby Brochin behind me trying to figure out what

         10        the vote would be, and with my mentor, Joey

         11        Wetherington, who would take walks with me before

         12        every Commission meeting to help me keep my head on

         13        straight.

         14             This has been a great journey, I have really

         15        enjoyed it, and I think we have served the people of

         16        the state of Florida well.

         17             COMMISSIONER CONNOR:  Ladies and gentlemen,

         18        Commissioners, I'm honored to have served with you.

         19        This has been, without a doubt, the most stimulating

         20        and thought provoking time that I have ever spent.

         21        There are people in the media age who say that because

         22        of television and other media that we have, that we

         23        have lost our ability to think.  I didn't see any

         24        evidence of that in this chamber.  I saw and found

         25        some of the most rigorous, insightful and exciting


          1        thinkers in our state.

          2             I consider it a privilege to have served with

          3        you.  It is a singular honor for me to have had the

          4        opportunity to get to know each of you and to work

          5        with you, and I look forward to the great things that

          6        you will continue to bring to our state in the way of

          7        service.  Thank you.

          8             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Our next award is the

          9        three-times-the-charm award.  And you all know who

         10        that is, that is Judge Barkdull.  Judge Barkdull,

         11        Commissioner Barkdull, permanent Commissioner

         12        Barkdull, after three times, receives this award.  His

         13        third service resulted in just about everything

         14        passing.  And he thought that they were going to all

         15        lose.  That's when I predicted that they would all

         16        pass.  I have known Tom a long time.  Commissioner

         17        Barkdull, your award, sir.

         18             COMMISSIONER BARKDULL:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

         19        I realize there is a little tongue-in-cheek in this

         20        award, but I, as I've indicated to you all before, as

         21        you go forward from this day, you will realize with

         22        each passing time that the friendships you have forged

         23        in this group will be unique among the friendships

         24        that you have and they will be with you the rest of

         25        your life.  And you will always look back on this 18


          1        months as some of the finest service and opportunity

          2        to be with some of the best people in the state of

          3        Florida.

          4             And yes, Mr. Chairman, I did refer, right after

          5        you were appointed as Chairman, to the three chairmen

          6        of the Constitution Revision Commissions, the Smith

          7        Commission, Chesterfield Smith, the D'Alemberte

          8        Commission, Sandi D'Alemberte, and I'm very proud to

          9        refer to this Commission as the Douglass Commission,

         10        notwithstanding your remarks.

         11             (Applause.)

         12             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  I just was handed a note here

         13        by -- and I'm corrected again.  I think I'm going to

         14        call for a vote on this, a voice vote.  There's been a

         15        motion made that Commissioner Barkdull be granted a

         16        lifetime membership on the Constitution Revision

         17        Commission.  All in favor say aye.

         18             (Verbal vote taken.)

         19             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Opposed?  It carries.  The

         20        public education award was not too difficult.  We all

         21        know John Mills sort of got on the phone some, did a

         22        little bit, but there are two people that really

         23        deserve this as well.  One was Clay Henderson, who you

         24        heard traveled the state, went everywhere in the

         25        world, just did a wonderful job of speaking, of going


          1        to the grass roots.  And you also heard about Barbara

          2        Ford-Coates who made over 60 speeches.  Now, that is

          3        really a task.  She could run for something else other

          4        than tax collector just by the number of people that

          5        she saw.  Now, I would like to ask Clay Henderson and

          6        Barbara Ford-Coates to come up for the public

          7        education award.

          8             Yes, Clay Henderson is the only fellow that can

          9        send e-mail from his car with both feet on the

         10        steering wheel.

         11             COMMISSIONER HENDERSON:  I just want to stand

         12        here once, I always wanted to stand here.  Come on up

         13        here, Barbara.

         14             COMMISSIONER FORD-COATES:  When you have been

         15        sitting at the back row, it's kind of nice to know

         16        what it looks like up here.  But I would like to thank

         17        the seating chart folks for putting me beside John

         18        Lowndes, it was a wonderful experience.  Thank you,

         19        sir.

         20             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  See, that John is sneaky, he

         21        doesn't talk to us, but he keeps it going with the

         22        people around there.

         23             Now, we had a most valuable member, and I think

         24        it would be a unanimous vote.  The most valuable

         25        member is, of course, John Mills.  I mean, if you


          1        think about it, he served as chairman of Style and

          2        Drafting, and that was a blue-ribbon committee.  I

          3        mean, it was a group of people that were just

          4        dedicated and bright, Martha, and Barbara, Carlos

          5        Alfonso, Jim Scott, and of course John as chairman,

          6        and John Lowndes was on the committee.  And who did I

          7        leave out?  That was it, wasn't it?

          8             And they met for hours, and hours, and hours and

          9        hours, unbelievable, they really worked on this.  And

         10        that was, of course, the main reason that I think that

         11        our revisions were probably understood by the public

         12        and they were able to vote on them.  And they

         13        redrafted our proposals to mean what we wanted them to

         14        mean.  And in some instances that was difficult to do.

         15             But he also served, as you know, as it's been

         16        pointed out, as chairman of the Select Committee on

         17        the Article V.  And Commissioner Wetherington who was,

         18        of course, head of the Judiciary Committee and worked

         19        very hard on all of our Article V matters can tell you

         20        that he was a masterful chairman of that, as

         21        Commissioner Sundberg, who was a very great proponent

         22        of what we finally did.

         23             All of us should know that that committee

         24        probably saved us from a lot of disasters by coming up

         25        with a proposal which met the needs and didn't do


          1        violence to any particular group, a very, very

          2        difficult job.  But then he took on the Public

          3        Information Committee and handled that so expertly

          4        along with those who helped him that we were able to

          5        get our message across.  So, there has to be a most

          6        valuable member and it has to be John Mills.

          7             (Standing ovation.)

          8             COMMISSIONER MILLS:  Thank you.  What a privilege

          9        this has been.  And by the way, Commissioner

         10        Henderson, if you can see yourself from up here, you

         11        would understand the whole thing.  It has been an

         12        experience working with Chairman Douglass and with

         13        each of you that will never be replicated.  And I

         14        think that we have all said that.

         15             I think we learned that that old saying that one

         16        person of principle and belief is more powerful than

         17        100 people with small interests certainly played out

         18        with 37 people of principle and belief.  And it's been

         19        a privilege that I can never repeat.

         20             And of course, there's one thing, since I didn't

         21        announce this to everybody individually, one of the

         22        other great consequences of my service on the

         23        Constitution Revision Commission is that my wife and I

         24        are about to be parents again.  This is not a direct

         25        consequence, this is just to, for those who want to


          1        serve in 2017, there is some time.

          2             But thank you again, Mr. Chairman, and friends

          3        for life.  It'll be a pleasure to see you all over and

          4        over again and have a chance to relive this incredible

          5        shining moment in history that I think the state of

          6        Florida should be very grateful to the chairman and to

          7        each of you, and it has just been a pleasure to

          8        participate.  Thank you.

          9             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  There are many others here

         10        that deserve awards, everybody was unique in their

         11        service and I could go down each here and make

         12        comments, and I can't resist making one or two, but

         13        very quietly sitting on the back row is Commissioner

         14        Mathis and I think all of us indicate what a value she

         15        was.  Commissioner Mathis.

         16             I'm not leaving anybody out deliberately, but I

         17        couldn't pass this opportunity up for recognizing

         18        Carlos Alfonso, he was great in the committee and

         19        worked out the process that made that a significant

         20        change in the government.  I think Carlos needs to be

         21        recognized by all of us for that.  And the other thing

         22        that I think that needs to be said is that if we did

         23        one thing here, we proved that bipartisan workers with

         24        the same goal of doing the right thing can accomplish

         25        a lot.  We can leave aside many of our strong ties and


          1        influences and pressures and do what each of us thinks

          2        is correct.  If there's any recommendation that I

          3        leave and you leave to the future, not only to the

          4        Commissions, to the Legislature, to other people who

          5        go into public service, county commission, school

          6        boards, whatever; that once you get elected, you

          7        approach problems with what you believe is the correct

          8        result for the most people and keep your eyes focused

          9        on the purpose of government, which is to protect

         10        people from things, to protect the poor or the weak

         11        from the strong, but don't ignore the rights and the

         12        abilities of the strong and the need for the weak to

         13        rise generation after generation.

         14             Many people in this room have had the opportunity

         15        to rise from very humble beginnings, many have had the

         16        opportunity to have a lot of things in their youth

         17        that prepared them for this, but they all had one

         18        thing, it is a belief that this is the people's

         19        government, it doesn't belong to anybody but the

         20        entire collective people.  That includes the blacks,

         21        the poor, the Hispanics, the Nordics, the Asians, the

         22        Crackers, whatever we call ourselves on ethnic things,

         23        and the sooner that we can abandon these terms and

         24        refer to ourselves when we are asked what we are,

         25        which is Americans, Floridians, and free people, the


          1        better off our entire society will be.  And we will

          2        endure with this type of government well into the

          3        future to survive probably many years longer than even

          4        the eastern part of the Roman Empire.  I do hope that

          5        each of you carries with you this same pride, this

          6        same humble pride.  That is a hard thing to do, but

          7        you get humiliated by the public, and you can get very

          8        proud of what you accomplished, but what you did today

          9        will pass and people will ask, as we all do, What have

         10        you done for me lately.  We hope that we have looked

         11        20 years at least into the future and have tried to

         12        set out visions and blueprints which will guide this

         13        state to greater accomplishments.

         14             For those of you that can remember when we didn't

         15        have air conditioning and only about 3 million people,

         16        you know, braving this place, I guess anybody that

         17        lived here or their parents that lived here prior to

         18        1955 would be considered Crackers, or in some

         19        instances, H.T., I never was sure what we referred to

         20        blacks as in those days, but they were part of my

         21        growing up and my family and they taught us love and

         22        humility all through my life.  And I guess they were

         23        Crackers, too.  Anybody whose great grandparents are

         24        buried in Florida and so on are Crackers; therefore,

         25        we are all crackers now and we are all Floridians now.


          1        And I would love the day when we can refer to

          2        ourselves without reference to color or to national

          3        origin, and that will come.  Therefore, I think that,

          4        and I recognize John Mills.

          5             COMMISSIONER MILLS:  I request permission to

          6        approach the podium with a committee consisting of

          7        Commissioners Smith, Alfonso, Evans-Jones, and

          8        Barnett.

          9             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  You have permission.

         10             COMMISSIONER MILLS:  You don't know about this,

         11        do you?

         12             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  No.  I was wondering who has

         13        the gun.  The Secretary said that she collected the

         14        guns at the door.

         15             (Laughter.)

         16             COMMISSIONER MILLS:  Mr. Chairman, on behalf of

         17        your humble servants, and I would say that it is

         18        remarkable we have talked about diversity both in

         19        terms of politics, backgrounds, et cetera, that

         20        whatever they say about this Commission, it somehow

         21        came together.  And it may have been because you

         22        corrected Faye on the rules, it may have been because

         23        you held 1,000 people to under three minutes, it may

         24        have been because you brought Frieden and Connor

         25        together, or it may have been because you had kept


          1        Henderson from making over 100 minutes, but in any

          2        case, for some remarkable leadership, everybody wants

          3        to thank you and wish you best luck as chairman of the

          4        next Douglass Commission.

          5             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  This is a great gift, and I

          6        can certainly use it for many things.  I shall always

          7        remember this group every time I look at this, and

          8        it'll be in a prominent place in my life.  Thank you

          9        very much.

         10             (Applause.)

         11             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Billy reminds me that we had

         12        protection throughout this, and I certainly didn't

         13        mean to, but I overlooked Donald Severent (phonetic)

         14        and I don't want to do that.  Donald, where are you?

         15        In the back, let's give him a hand.

         16             (Standing ovation.)

         17             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  And at this time, I would be

         18        delighted to recognize Commissioner Barkdull for a

         19        motion.

         20             COMMISSIONER SUNDBERG:  Mr. Chairman, a point of

         21        order, if I may.

         22             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Commissioner Sundberg, you

         23        are recognized.

         24             COMMISSIONER SUNDBERG:  When might we expect the

         25        accounting from our executive director, Mr. Buzzett,


          1        from the cash contributions he secured from each of us

          2        for his slush fund, and moreover, I would like to have

          3        the name of his bonding company.

          4             (Laughter.)

          5             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  We shared that and it didn't

          6        go very far.  I think that's -- you know, you are

          7        right, I did sort of not really give him his due, did

          8        I?  Billy worked harder for anybody that didn't come

          9        to the office I've ever worked with.  I could always

         10        get him on the beach in Seaside on the phone.  I would

         11        get Kelly and she would run get him and he would come

         12        check in and say, I'm on my way.  But he always said,

         13        Everything is fine, it's going great.

         14             And truly, he just did a great job and without

         15        Billy and his staff, I don't think that we would all

         16        be here.  Billy, thank you.

         17             (Standing ovation.)

         18             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Our next job is to replace

         19        Steve Uhfelder with Billy as chairman on the Board of

         20        Regents.  It might take him a while, but he'll get

         21        somewhere like that in the future, I'm sure.  Now,

         22        Commissioner Barkdull, please, I'll recognize you.

         23             COMMISSIONER BARKDULL:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

         24        Before we close, I would like to read into the record

         25        the vote by which percentage-wise our proposals were


          1        addressed by the public.  Our proposal number one,

          2        which related to the environment and the merger of the

          3        two commissions received a favorable vote of

          4        72.3 percent of the public.

          5             Our proposal that related to education received a

          6        vote of 71 percent of the public.  The change in the

          7        funding of the judicial article and the other things

          8        included therein received a vote of 56.9 approval of

          9        the public.

         10             The Cabinet received a vote of 55.5.  Basic

         11        rights received 67.4 percent of the public.  The only

         12        one that was not successful was barely not successful.

         13        The proponents were 49.8 percent.  As the Chairman has

         14        already indicated, 12,000 votes was the difference.

         15             In the elections, 64.7 percent of the public

         16        approved our proposal.  In the guns, regulation,

         17        72 percent approved that proposal.  And in the

         18        miscellaneous, 55 percent approved.  That is quite an

         19        accomplishment, and as Commissioner Henderson has

         20        already pointed out, there are more changes in

         21        Florida's basic charter as a result of that vote in

         22        November on the proposals that this Commission

         23        submitted than any other change in the charter in

         24        Florida's history.  You are all to be congratulated.

         25        I now move you, sir, that we adjourn.


          1             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  Everyone say aye.

          2             (Verbal vote taken.)

          3             CHAIRMAN DOUGLASS:  We are adjourned.

          4             (Proceedings adjourned at 11:00 a.m.)























          1                           CERTIFICATE

              STATE OF FLORIDA:
              COUNTY OF LEON:
                        I, MONA L. WHIDDON, Court Reporter, certify that I
          5   was authorized to and did stenographically report the
              foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a true and
          6   complete record of my stenographic notes.

          7             DATED this ______ day of ____________, 1998.


         10                      MONA L. WHIDDON
                                 Court Reporter
         11                      Division of Administrative Hearings
                                 1230 Apalachee Parkway
         12                      Tallahassee, Florida  32399-3060
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